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Asus releases the PC 900 this month!
http://eeepc.itrunsonlinux.com/the-news … this-month
The 1st batch will contain Intel's older-generation dual-core ULV processors, because the Atom isn't available yet.
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I don´t believe that! No way, they are not going to put a dual core in there, because it´s expensive, the batterylife would be 1,5-2 hours at most, it´s hotter and so on!
It will be the same 900mhz celeron at best not underclocked but I tthink it will be underclocked.
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Agree. I hope Asus instead will consider the Core Solo ULV.
The Celeron in todays EEE have a TDP of 5 watt.
A Core Solo ULV U1500 at 1,33GHz with TDP 5.5 watt would be nice :-)
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The Eee 700 had no competition, this 900 is going to run up against the HP 2133 and it may fall short. We'll see what happens - but I'm not wetting my panties over the 900 yet.
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I read that the 900mhz celeron in the eee pc at 630mhz was a little bit faster than the via c7 1.6GHz...
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That's also what I have read. th Eee should stay ahead but the 900 should not forget that ultra-mobility also means long battery life otherwise ...
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Which processor is going to be faster? Atom or Dual-Core-ULV?
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DaMan wrote:
The Atom should be faster & less power consuming.
Actually not true. Benchmarks of the Silverthorne Atom shows that its even slow than the 900Mhz Celeron on the 701s. Intel themselves expect it to be on par with the first generation Centrino CPUs (Banias Core)
Thus, you can actually expect the dual-core ULVs to greatly outperform the Atoms, but be more power consuming.
Whatever made you say the Atom would be faster I would like to know what it was.
Last edited by astrayred (2008-04-10 5:14:44 am)
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The EEE pc will be sporting the Diamondville! Not the Silverthorn.
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Well, when is it planned for EU?
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Remember the ULV core duo is using 65nm manufacturing against the current ULV Celeron 900 which uses 90nm. The smaller die size means less power drawn and also less heat generated. Saying the dual core option would be too hot and use too much power is just not really true at the moment - if it was that obviously not an option then it wouldn't even be in the rumours that are circulating just now.
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Hitikiro wrote:
The EEE pc will be sporting the Diamondville! Not the Silverthorn.
True. I know its sporting the Diamondville. Thing is:
1. There are no benchmarks on the Diamondville so far.
2. The only difference I can find between the Diamondville and Silverthorne is the size of the package. The diamondville is larger to accomandate cheaper motherboards. There is also the possible addition of 64-bit capability and Virtualisation.
3. Silverthornes are actually MORE expensive than Diamondvilles. As far as architecture goes they are pretty similar.
We have every reason to believe that the Silverthornes and Diamondville will perform pretty similarly. Perhaps Diamondville will be faster by maybe 10% to 20%, which when you take into account the low performance of Silverthorne in the first place, is not much.
You can check out this article for a commentary of Silverthorne and Diamondville.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/03 … print.html
Last edited by astrayred (2008-04-10 5:34:16 am)
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donka wrote:
Remember the ULV core duo is using 65nm manufacturing against the current ULV Celeron 900 which uses 90nm. The smaller die size means less power drawn and also less heat generated. Saying the dual core option would be too hot and use too much power is just not really true at the moment - if it was that obviously not an option then it wouldn't even be in the rumours that are circulating just now.
ULV Core Duos are usually found on ultra-portable laptops; laptops are are actually around the size of the EEE, but worlds apart in price. A famous example is the SONY Vaio VGN-UX1XN, which can cost US$3000+
Keep in mind the ULV actually stands for Ultra-Low Voltage. I'm not sure if many of you know this. Power draw is one of the main contributors to heat and battery life, so expect the ULV chips to perform respectably.
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Here's a list with those ULV CPU's (don't know which one is used in the Eee PC900)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_In … processors
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Frankly if I was looking to get a 9" screen, I'd buy one as soon as these are released, with the ULV chips rather than Atom. Sure, Atom will have a somewhat better battery life, but I can always use another battery or bring my charger. I can't just change out the processor whenever I feel like it. I'll take the faster one.
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Juaquin wrote:
Frankly if I was looking to get a 9" screen, I'd buy one as soon as these are released, with the ULV chips rather than Atom. Sure, Atom will have a somewhat better battery life, but I can always use another battery or bring my charger. I can't just change out the processor whenever I feel like it. I'll take the faster one.
Well to be fair we've only seen one test performance for the Silverthorne processor and that was SuperPi. Hopefully more benchmarks/test can be done!
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Until we see reliable performance tests on the Atom, we can't rule it out. One thing for sure is it will provide an extended battery life over what's currently out there.
Last edited by Friko (2008-04-11 4:31:35 am)
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sigh. i wish they would hurry and release it. i want a 900 so bad.
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The 900 may be shipping this month, but the HP2133 with 4GB SSD and Suse Linux is for sale ($500 USD rounded) and AVAILABLE today (see my original post). I am happy with my 4GB 701 (C series 12/07), but a 900 8.9" expected to ship by the end of the month (Europe), is quite different than an available HP in the States. And, HP is not Everex.
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HP 2133 has one real advantage: based on what I saw on the umpcportal.com, the keyboard actually looks usable. Side-by-side pix show the HP a bit wider, so its 1280x768 screen might work. I would like to see both next to the Fujitsu Lifebook P5020 I replaced my eee with - big improvement in usability, and although noticeably heavier, 4 lbs with a built-in DVD-ROM/CD-RW, 1280x768 10.6-inch screen, and decent-sized keyboard, it is well worth those extra 2 lbs. It does feel a bit looser with all those extra seams and parts, but seems solid enough.
At right about $400 on eBay, it came in at same price, and after I spent another $60 upgrading the RAM to 1 GB from 256MB vs the $35 I spent on 1 GB for the eee when I got it (why is newer RAM cheaper than older RAM?), it gives a lot more machine than the eee with hardly any more bulk. Still, the eee 900 might be worth a look...
They all would benefit from a Thinkpad style Trackpoint ("Quickpoint" on older Fujitsus like my old P2046) as an option to provide a bigger keyboard, and for us fogey's who hate touchpads ;-)
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Dang.. I would love to see the EEE 900 get a ULV Core 2 Duo (if it can handle the added heat), and wouldn't mind paying a premium for it. The decreased battery life could be offset by using one of the higher-capacity 6-cell batteries.
I wouldn't bet on it happening, though 
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AFD wrote:
Dang.. I would love to see the EEE 900 get a ULV Core 2 Duo (if it can handle the added heat), and wouldn't mind paying a premium for it. The decreased battery life could be offset by using one of the higher-capacity 6-cell batteries.
I wouldn't bet on it happening, though
If you are willing to pay a premium for a C2D then you should go for the Sony TZ series which are comparable in mobility to the EEEs.
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AFD wrote:
Dang.. I would love to see the EEE 900 get a ULV Core 2 Duo (if it can handle the added heat), and wouldn't mind paying a premium for it.
I would bet that Asus is going to underclock the ULVs to get to specific thermal range and battery life target. We have read from sources that the 900 will be heavier. Cooling and batteries are heavy. The ULV is certainly a possibility, as is another Celly.
And as for cost, it is better for Asus to eat margins and stay competitive at this point. HP is a monster of a company and Asus CAN NOT allow the EEE to get lost in the noise or the whole sub-notebook genre is in jeopardy of becoming a diluted and homogenized series of compromises that will push products towards higher prices and less portability.
Last edited by HalcYoN (2008-04-12 8:59:18 am)
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