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#1 2007-10-29 6:42:29 am

TechKing
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Using file compression to decrease Windows size

nLite can reduce the Windows installation size quite a lot. However, I'd like to let you know that you can use file compression selectively on installed files to further decrease the install size by several dozens of MB, if not another full 100MB less.
The trick is to try to compress only files that are used less often, such the folder c:\windows\system32\dllcache. Folder size was decreased from 349MB to 215MB on disk. I don't really want to completely wipe out the folder so its a safe alternative.

To use compression, right click on a file/folder and select Properties/General tab/Advanced button/Compress contents to save disk space.

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#2 2007-10-31 6:04:50 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Good idea! At the cost though, I would think, of a CPU overhead for on-the-fly decompression when those files are required. I take it this is why you advise to only do it on seldom-accessed files?

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#3 2007-10-31 11:46:02 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Ya, I would stay away from using compression. The idea of this machine is small and fast. Compressing files is just going to slow things down. But, then again, that is the windows experience we are all used to, isn't it!?!

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#4 2007-10-31 9:42:15 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Triple-E Wannabe wrote:

Good idea! At the cost though, I would think, of a CPU overhead for on-the-fly decompression when those files are required. I take it this is why you advise to only do it on seldom-accessed files?

File compression slows down file access for that compressed file in particular. The is a lag time between file access and file execution/reading because the CPU has to decompress the file before being able to access it. That is why files that are commonly used (.exe and .dll) should probably not be compressed. There are however lots of files in Windows that you may want to keep. For example, the files in c:\windows\system32\dllcache are almost never accessed, but are still quite essential in case you computer crashes while you're away from home and don't have access to your Win CD. I have therefore compressed these files.
Other exemple of files that you may want to compress are .hlp files. I never read help but once or twice a year, I need to read them so I can compress these files without everyday performance slowing.
If you compress completely Windows's folder, then you'll run into serious performance issues.

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#5 2008-02-15 10:15:26 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Hi all smile

Yesterday I used the Windows compression on the whole "C" drive (SSD).

Result (used space):
1,167,630,xxx bytes => 795,590,656 bytes.
1113Mb => 758Mb

So far I have not noticed any slow-down during normal use.
Actually, the boot time seems to be slightly shorter!?

If my understanding is correct, any file subsequently added to the compressed drive will automatically be compressed. That includes program files.

Could our 4Gs become 6Gs? big_smile

If you want to follow a similar topic in French:
http://www.blogeee.net/forum/viewtopic. … amp;t=2477

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#6 2008-02-15 10:46:17 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Compression can even encrease performance (less data to read), so I use it and it works like a charm. smile

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#7 2008-02-15 11:56:27 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

care to elaborate on how drive compression will affect the amount of data to be read?


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#8 2008-02-15 12:26:23 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Molly wrote:

care to elaborate on how drive compression will affect the amount of data to be read?

I think that I can see both of your points?  Of course, in the end the amount of data must be exactly the same with lossless compression( necessary in this case), but the amount of data transiting the medium interface will be less by the amount of compression. That is why it is used in some serial data link protocols.  However, for any possible speedup to occur the decompression time would have to be shorter than the time for uncompressed data to cross the data link.  Perhaps it would speed up a USB connected FLASH read, but I would expect that the SSD read would be fast enough to probably make the decompression phase the actual bottleneck?

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#9 2008-02-15 1:43:16 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

I did compress
c:\windows\system32\dllcache
c:\windows\Driver Cache
c:\windows\help
c:\windows\inf
c:\windows\java
c:\windows\Microsoft.Net
c:\windows\mui (I use the french language pack)
c:\windows\winsxs
c:\windows\system32\drvstore
c:\program files\Java
c:\program files\Microsoft Office
c:\MSOCache
ALL DLL on the SSD.

Not slow at all. Saved me more that 300 mb.


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#10 2008-02-15 1:50:25 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Well assuming we don't want to compress the entire drive, it would be a good idea to make a list of the folders that are rarely accessed to be compressed.  For example.

C:\windows\inf
C:\windows\ie7
C:\windows\ieupdates

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#11 2008-02-15 5:54:01 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

On the French link it is mentioned - and I had forgotten about it - that the Asus Intructions Manual suggested compression indeed. As for me I will not try since I have enough space after a clean Windows installation (more than 2.3 Go) and my programmes are on a SDHC. My data on a USB key so... smile


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#12 2008-02-17 12:31:18 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Hi to all,

in my Italian Xp pro, i dont find such choice. WHere i do mistake?

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/994/11111yy1.jpg


thanks

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#13 2008-02-17 12:52:46 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Good question, robbynaish, it does look like I can only compress entire drives or partitions too using this method.

How did you guys manage to compress files/folders?

Edit: found it!! You have to click on "Advanced..." to have access to the compression option. smile

Edit 2: robbynaish, it looks like you are missing the "Advanced" button.
Maybe you need to be logged in as administrator?

Last edited by ddlooping (2008-02-17 12:56:47 pm)

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#14 2008-02-17 1:00:37 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

You need WinXP with service pack2 and all the latest updates.


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#15 2008-02-17 1:01:56 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Thanks for the info, The Coolest. smile

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#16 2008-02-17 2:45:07 pm

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Fluffywings wrote:

C:\windows\ie7
C:\windows\ieupdates

You can essentially delete these two folders if you do not plan to rollback to ie6.

After you have deleted these two folders, use ccleaner to clean out the uninstaller registry related to ie7 uninstallation.


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#17 2008-02-18 4:45:51 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

The Coolest wrote:

You need WinXP with service pack2 and all the latest updates.

I have Sp2..... can i update only this thing i need,or i have to update all?

thanks

alex

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#18 2008-05-15 7:19:48 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

I compressed the whole drive including system32 folder.  Some files did not compress, I suspect because they were in use at the time or windows prevented it. 

I have encountered the occasional problem where dll calls have failed.  I found that I needed to uncompress the following ddl's:  wiashext.dll, asycfilt.dll and shgina.dll.  There may be more that I have not come aross before.

Has anyone encontered any similar problem?

I have not particularly noticed any severe performance penalty.

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#19 2008-05-15 8:00:21 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

I have compresed the hole C: , No problems at all...

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#20 2008-05-15 9:53:36 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Welcome to the forums, rodneyh. smile

I have also compressed the whole C: drive and haven't encountered any problems.
No noticeable slow-downs either (2GB ram).

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#21 2008-05-15 10:04:59 am

treare
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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Hi,

Compressed whole c: on my eee. Overal it indeed doesn't slow down but sometimes opening things has a small delay though.

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#22 2008-05-15 10:10:17 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

treare wrote:

Hi,

Compressed whole c: on my eee. Overal it indeed doesn't slow down but sometimes opening things has a small delay though.

Hello treare,

I personally think a fraction of a second delay in opening certain files is not a bad trade-off considering the gain in space. wink

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#23 2008-05-15 10:17:08 am

treare
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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Aloha,

Certainly true but was just FYO smile

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#24 2008-05-15 11:09:49 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

in the end, it's all about personal preferences, but file compression does cause an increased CPU usage (up to 3%) which has an impact on the battery life time and overall system performance. file compression also will increase the number of write requests on the SSD by 25%.

implications that have been acknowledged and addresseded by Microsoft recently in their 'Guidelines for Designing Flash-Based Ultra Low Cost PCs for Windows XP".

http://download.microsoft.com/download/ … SFT%20.pdf

Last edited by Molly (2008-05-15 11:10:56 am)


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#25 2008-05-15 11:13:14 am

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Re: Using file compression to decrease Windows size

Molly wrote:

file compression also will increase the number of write requests on the SSD by 25%.

Doesn't wear levelling work better with more free space?


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