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Curious what is the best distro that loads into ram. Specifically for the eee so I do not have to configure it. I have a eee 900 16g and have had some issues with finding a good distro.Just looking for something solely for the speed all it needs is a web browser with flash thanks.
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PupEee is pretty snappy on my 701 - does a fair bit more than just a web browser, but since it only has a footprint roughly 100Mb plus your save file, that's not that bad ![]()
The default browser is SeaMonkey, and it comes with Flash preconfigured ![]()
Hope this helps ![]()
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Breeezy for the 700 series = ~70meg. Excellent out of the box working solution. Has Firefox + Flash 9, I think.
Tinycore for any eee = 11 meg. Needs a bit of work to get going (i.e. you need the wireless extensions downloaded before you can connect to the wireless). This is a very new and fast growing distro. Also exists as microcore without gui at 8 meg. Has lots of browsers (opera, minefield, firefox, etc) and flash 10.
Slitaz runs from RAM I think (~30 meg), but has an old kernel so won't work with eee wireless without work.
All the above use JWM as the windows manager, just like puppy (Breeezy is a puppy variant).
Personally, I have tried all the above, and while I have a lot of love for Breeezy, it is increasingly dated and I think tinycore is the future.
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I'm trying out several distros at present and my distro of choice (for my 901) is the latest flavour of regular Puppy (at least it will be if I ever get it to print to any of my printers). I also got Puppy working with one of my 3G mobile broadband dongles (the irony here is that it works with the O2 dongle - not the 3 dongle that happened to come with Linux drivers... go figure!).
However, like kerpob, I think TinyCore is the future. It's a bit ominous to start with because you just have a basic OS - no apps or anything. You're supposed to use the "appbrowser" to download apps that you want but it constantly failed for me. Nevertheless, by failing, it taught me a better method. Once I'd set up a persistent folder, I just grabbed the apps I wanted via FTP (using Windows, or any other working OS), put them in the folder with dependancies, and the next time TCL booted up, there were my apps waiting for me. Smooth. Uninstall is just as easy so long as you note your dependancies.
And, like most distros I've tried so far, TCL works fine with Softmaker Office. I love the way the Tinycore OS is just 11MB, the apps I've downloaded comes to about 40MB (and, of course, more for Softmaker but that's my choice). No cr*p, no bloat, just a workable OS (or, at least, it would be if I could get wireless to work).
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Definitely check out SliTaz. Kerpob's info is out of date. SliTaz currently uses LXDE (not jwm), the 2.6.29 kernel, and comes in an eee-specific "flavor": http://forum.slitaz.org/viewtopic.php?id=1686
The only catch is it's "free software only" so you have to install Flash with the simple terminal command: get-flash-plugin
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snowpine wrote:
Definitely check out SliTaz. Kerpob's info is out of date. SliTaz currently uses LXDE (not jwm), the 2.6.29 kernel, and comes in an eee-specific "flavor": http://forum.slitaz.org/viewtopic.php?id=1686
The only catch is it's "free software only" so you have to install Flash with the simple terminal command: get-flash-plugin
Thanks - didn't know that. EDIT - Distrowatch has Slitaz 2.0 using 2.6.25.5 - which will not natively support eee wireless. 2.6.29 must be a beta/alpha version?
Didn't mention DSL (Damn Small Linux) but - unless this is also out of date - it also has an old kernel, and the main people driving it left to form tinycore, so it isn't active any more.
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xxiamdrewxx wrote:
Curious what is the best distro that loads into ram. Specifically for the eee so I do not have to configure it. I have a eee 900 16g and have had some issues with finding a good distro.Just looking for something solely for the speed all it needs is a web browser with flash thanks.
Dunno about best.
I have used a few of the heavier linux variants, but have spent the most time with the lightweight puppy flavors:
pupeee 4.2: based on 4.2 puppy. Wireless, etc, worked OOB.
puppy 4.2.1: plain puppy linux install. Had to install the madwifi-hal .pet to get 900's wifi running. I keep a copy of the .pet on my sd card in case I need it.
Both use seamonkey and flash works very well (better than any of my desktops with Firefox/flash). Both are seriously fast.
Using a "runs in RAM" flavor is probably a good idea with the slow-SSD 900 16GB.
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Correct, 2.6.29 is in the "cooking" (aka "testing") release of SliTaz. If you are running SliTaz stable, simply 'tazpkg set-release cooking'.
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snowpine wrote:
Definitely check out SliTaz. Kerpob's info is out of date. SliTaz currently uses LXDE (not jwm), the 2.6.29 kernel, and comes in an eee-specific "flavor": http://forum.slitaz.org/viewtopic.php?id=1686
The only catch is it's "free software only" so you have to install Flash with the simple terminal command: get-flash-plugin
For me, the only catch is that it won't boot, hanging on "configuring wifi0" unless it's turned off in BIOS. Will give it a few more months and try again.
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Trying Tinycore RC now. Man, I love the idea. Get a minimal distro then add what you like.
My first hour with it; fighting with:
* wireless
* can't seem to get my personal/local file to get scanned at boot. The file is created on usb but doesn't seem to be used by the system afterwards. And
but it definitely looks worth some poking around.
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fratermus wrote:
Trying Tinycore RC now. Man, I love the idea. Get a minimal distro then add what you like.
My first hour with it; fighting with:
* wireless
I've spent ages trying to get Tinycore to see my wireless. Followed loads of advice in loads of forums but still haven't achieved anything. Even when I use wired internet, tinycore's AppBrowser rarely worked right.
I do like the concept though. I now download the files and deps I need via FTP, throw them in my persistent repository, and there they are on boot up. Love it.
And it even runs my fave Office App - Softmaker - although I can't figure out how to add shortcuts to the menus yet.
The concept is a sound one. 11MB for the OS, and then you can see exactly what files are used for apps. No "hidden" bloat.
Going to have a peek at SliTaz later.
fratermus wrote:
* can't seem to get my personal/local file to get scanned at boot. The file is created on usb but doesn't seem to be used by the system afterwards.
I don't use home= or local= but I've added "restore=sdc1/tcl" (which is where my mydata.tgz gets stored when I shut down) to syslinux.cfg.
I've also noticed that it takes the USB drive a bit of time before it gets "recognised" by tinycore on boot so I've added "waitusb=5" and that did the trick.
Hope some of this helps.
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I fought for a couple more hours and (kinda) won.
Got persistence by creating the tclocal on sda1; dunno why that worked and the others did not.
Got wireless by installing the wireless*.tce files and then waving the ifconfig and iwconfig chickens. I think that TCL RC 2.2 rc1 has madwifi built in. Good thing, because I couldn't get madwifi-hal to compile.
Boy, do I ever hate that moving/resizing menu ribbon at the bottom. Fancy, yes, but if you try to click an icon and it resizes (and shifts) so that your cursor is no longer over the icon, what good is that?
I think TCL's minimalist approach is genius. I have just recently gotten Puppy set up the way I like it so I'll probably stick with it. But of all the OSes I've tried so far, I think TCL appeals the most to my purist instinct.
TCL is genius, no doubt about it. But she's running me ragged and I need a rest.
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fratermus wrote:
I fought for a couple more hours and (kinda) won.
Got persistence by creating the tclocal on sda1; dunno why that worked and the others did not.
Got wireless by installing the wireless*.tce files and then waving the ifconfig and iwconfig chickens. I think that TCL RC 2.2 rc1 has madwifi built in. Good thing, because I couldn't get madwifi-hal to compile.
Boy, do I ever hate that moving/resizing menu ribbon at the bottom. Fancy, yes, but if you try to click an icon and it resizes (and shifts) so that your cursor is no longer over the icon, what good is that?
I think TCL's minimalist approach is genius. I have just recently gotten Puppy set up the way I like it so I'll probably stick with it. But of all the OSes I've tried so far, I think TCL appeals the most to my purist instinct.
TCL is genius, no doubt about it. But she's running me ragged and I need a rest.
LOL - reminds me of my first experiences with TCL! Documentation for it is pretty poor, but their forum is helpful & active.
I too get wireless working by installing the wireless 2.6.29 and wireless tools extensions from a locally downloaded copy.
Then it's (for me):
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
Then I used the networking thing in the apps panel to get it working, but I suppose you could do "udhcpc wlan0" in terminal.
You won't need madwifi as I think that 2.6.29 kernel has all the eee wireless drivers already in it - it certainly has the atheros one that the 701 uses.
The fancy ribbon thing is called wbar and you can configure it so that the icons don't zoom. Personally, I love it!
I downloaded the TCL 2.2rc1 iso last night & within an hour had it up and running and persistent with Shiretoko (a version of firefox 3.5 more suited to RAM running), flash 10 and SciTE (my fave editor right now). What I do is use my main distro (Arch) to mount the iso with "sudo mount -o loop tinycore.iso /mnt/iso" (your mountpoint may be different). Then go to the /mnt/iso/boot directory and copy the 2 files to my /boot/ folder. I then edit my existing Arch grub to include TCL - this is all in the TCL FAQ, and also on my earlier posts about tinycore here. Then get the wireless working and download the apps I like.
Distro with much MUCH promise.
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fratermus wrote:
Got wireless by installing the wireless*.tce files and then waving the ifconfig and iwconfig chickens. I think that TCL RC 2.2 rc1 has madwifi built in. Good thing, because I couldn't get madwifi-hal to compile.
I'll be so pleased of TCL 2.2 makes wireless easier because I still haven't worked it out on my 901.
I tried SliTaz last night (the eee version) and it recognised my wireless straight away and listed access points. Trouble is, when I put in the WPA code it just refreshes ra0 and lists the APs again. I don't get a connection. Maybe it doesn't work well with WPA or something. There's no error message, just no connection even though I can see both of my APs. I'd rather get TCL working, though.
fratermus wrote:
Boy, do I ever hate that moving/resizing menu ribbon at the bottom. Fancy, yes, but if you try to click an icon and it resizes (and shifts) so that your cursor is no longer over the icon, what good is that?
It's similar to RocketDock which I tried on Windows for a bit before I turned it off and got rid of it. If I could find out how to manually add entries to wbar or the right-click menu, I'd be a little happier because it'd save me having to dig around just to start my Softmaker app.
fratermus wrote:
I think TCL's minimalist approach is genius. I have just recently gotten Puppy set up the way I like it so I'll probably stick with it. But of all the OSes I've tried so far, I think TCL appeals the most to my purist instinct.
I have trouble getting Puppy to print to any of my printers but I figure that's par for the course for Linux and I'll figure it out one day (it's pretty much the one thing stopping me from switching to Linux for any serious work). Otherwise it's a great not-so-minimal OS.
I have a frugal install of Puppy on my USB stick but also have a miniature LiveCD of it for my other computers for emergencies (they don't all boot from USB). Having a single persistency file sitting on each computer but using one LiveCD is very useful.
fratermus wrote:
TCL is genius, no doubt about it. But she's running me ragged and I need a rest.
Got to agree with that. If I can ever figure out wireless and printing, I know I'm going to enjoy TCL.
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wbar's config file is in /usr/share/wbar I think - if you create a copy in home then that will take precedence. Very obvious text file to edit.
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kerpob wrote:
wbar's config file is in /usr/share/wbar I think - if you create a copy in home then that will take precedence. Very obvious text file to edit.
That sounds too easy... I'll try it tonight, thanks for the tip.
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JSRinUK wrote:
I'll be so pleased of TCL 2.2 makes wireless easier because I still haven't worked it out on my 901.
Got to agree with that. If I can ever figure out wireless and printing, I know I'm going to enjoy TCL.
The problem was I was trying to use ath0 as the wifi device, but here's what made it go on the 900:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
#get a dhcp lease
sudo udhcpc -H box -b -i wlan0
This hooked me up to an open AP. Haven't played with encryption. It appears that the card is being driven by ath5k, if I am reading lsmod correctly. Got the idea to use wlan because there was a wlan0.sh in /opt; that directory had been mentioned on a wiki somewhere.
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kerpob wrote:
I too get wireless working by installing the wireless 2.6.29 and wireless tools extensions from a locally downloaded copy.
Then it's (for me):
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
Oops, missed your post or I wouldn't have typed it in myself just now in another response. No harm no foul, I guess.
kerpob wrote:
The fancy ribbon thing is called wbar and you can configure it so that the icons don't zoom. Personally, I love it!
It appears zoom/jump config has to be done at invocation (apparently /etc/init.d/rcS) rather than from a config file. The config file does allow one to specify what icons/actions to display. Maybe be easier for me to just comment out everything from the config file; this makes Mr Wiggly go away.
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Oh yes, for TCL on the 701 you need to get 915resolution tce and then edit /opt/bootlocal.sh to contain the line
sudo 915resolution 5c 800 480
Not sure about the 900 series - might not need to do anything, but on the 701 the screen resolution is set lower than optimum.
You can put the wireless startup commands in bootlocal.sh as well so wireless starts up automatically.
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Yes, I have 915resolution for my 901 as well. I don't recall having to sudo anything, I'm fairly sure I just dropped it into my persistent repository and installed it. It was about the easiest thing I've done on TCL so far. Getting the resolution right is a fairly minor thing, but it makes all the difference.
Now, off to boot into TCL to try out some of the tips listed here. Bet I won't get wireless working, though... ![]()
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TCL 2.1 is on the cover of Linux Format as one of their 2 featured distros - the other is Fedora 11.
Update - I get wireless working with:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
udhcpc -i -b wlan0
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kerpob wrote:
TCL 2.1 is on the cover of Linux Format as one of their 2 featured distros - the other is Fedora 11.
Update - I get wireless working with:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
udhcpc -i -b wlan0
I think I must just especially clueless when it comes to Linux in general and TCL in particular.
First of all I couldn't find the relevant wbar file to add icons to the bar (although I did figure out how to add things to the right-click menu but it's taking a lot of trial and error to make them stick).
Secondly, when I attempted the wireless I got an inexplicable error after the first (ifconfig) line.
I think I'll just have to wait until I have a day spare to work it out (I said that about printing in Puppy and I still haven't found the time to do it). Thanks for your help, though.
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JSRinUK wrote:
kerpob wrote:
TCL 2.1 is on the cover of Linux Format as one of their 2 featured distros - the other is Fedora 11.
Update - I get wireless working with:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
udhcpc -i -b wlan0I think I must just especially clueless when it comes to Linux in general and TCL in particular.
First of all I couldn't find the relevant wbar file to add icons to the bar (although I did figure out how to add things to the right-click menu but it's taking a lot of trial and error to make them stick).
Secondly, when I attempted the wireless I got an inexplicable error after the first (ifconfig) line.
I think I'll just have to wait until I have a day spare to work it out (I said that about printing in Puppy and I still haven't found the time to do it). Thanks for your help, though.
That error wasn't the SCOSIOFLGS one was it? This means that you haven't installed the wireless extensions, or maybe need the firmware extension.
Actually, I couldn't find the wbar config file on TCL when I looked the other day either! I can find it on other distros, will need to ask on the TCL forum!!! EDIT: did a search, it is: /usr/local/tce.wbar
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kerpob wrote:
That error wasn't the SCOSIOFLGS one was it? This means that you haven't installed the wireless extensions, or maybe need the firmware extension.
It may have been. I thought I had all the wireless extensions (and anything that looked remotely "wireless-y"
) in my tce/tcz from the last time I tried it but perhaps I am missing something so I'll take a closer look.
kerpob wrote:
Actually, I couldn't find the wbar config file on TCL when I looked the other day either! I can find it on other distros, will need to ask on the TCL forum!!! EDIT: did a search, it is: /usr/local/tce.wbar
Is it just enough to copy that to home and then edit the copy?
Despite the difficulties, I'm still sure that TCL is the way to go. Starting with no bloat and just installing what you need has to be the future.
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