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#1 2008-07-23 9:43:09 am

eloj
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Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

"FYI, ASUS start shipping non ZIF version of EEEPC 901 on Linux version but same form factor of 900 30GB version. Few people reported (at least in Asia) the new black linux version of 901 doesn't have ZIF connector. Strangely, those XP version still comes with ZIF connector."
-- anon at jkkmobile

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#2 2008-07-23 10:04:56 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

This post is in the wrong section.  I hope that mod will move this into the other section since it clear does not give us any information about prices, preorders or where to buy. >_>

Anyway, I hope that my Linux one has a ZIF connection.  Dunno why, since I probably wouldn't use it, but the option to do so is nice. smile

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#3 2008-07-23 10:13:06 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

I decided to post it here (was: Preorder) because it's most relevant to people who have NOT already bought their machine.

You can hope all you want, but I think it's clear now that Asus are basically running their show by randomly changing specs and features at a fast pace. You'd think it'd be pretty clear cut, the XP and Linux 901 would be THE SAME except for storage and pre-installed OS. That's what I expected when ordering.

I'm starting to become so disgusted with this I might as well walk away and forget about Asus and their infernal non-existing Eees.

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#4 2008-07-23 10:29:26 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

This really sucks... but I was going to add a 1.8" drive in eventually so I guess I am forced into the XP option... how sad Asus...

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#5 2008-07-23 10:36:55 am

eloj
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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

Would be nice to get confirmation from a 901 linux owner. Anyone?

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#6 2008-07-23 10:54:21 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

I am not too sure why people planning on modding their 901s with a 1.8" drive would be waiting for the Linux based machine in the first place.  Doesn't the 1.8" disk mod disable the secondary SSD (whether it is physically removed or not) anyhow?

I guess this would screw people that don't want to give MS any money or people that really want that non-free version of Linux that comes with the 901s (could always just use Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, etc on the WinXP model).

I purchased the Windows version myself so I cannot attest to the ZIF connector on the Linux version.  As long as the Windows version includes it, I don't think too many people should feel "screwed".

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#7 2008-07-23 11:21:42 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

That's great, so basically you're saying I should just be happy that I'm -- likely -- getting less of a future upgrade path because I want to support linux over MS and their Windows?

> I guess this would screw people that don't want to give MS any money

Yes, we're called linux users. That's why we want our linux version. So we don't have to support MS.

It's not very hard.

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#8 2008-07-23 11:25:24 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

perhaps the linux eee 901 is simply the first revision of the 901 to come without zif connectors.. perhaps the future xp models will be without as well.


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#9 2008-07-23 11:45:11 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

It was never an advertised feature - probably vestigial from when they were designing hard drive models like the 1000H. Perhaps they had a 901H (or 907xHDH++) in the wings that for some reason they didn't release. Now they're already revving the motherboard to save those component costs - just like some of the expandability of early 701's vanished as time went on.

If you were basing your buying decision on something like that... roll

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#10 2008-07-23 11:49:16 am

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

If I'm understanding jkkmobile's pic correctly...
My 20G Linux 901 White unit does not have the ZIF connector.  Solder pads are there, connector is not.  I'm not sure if there are other supporting chips/hardware that have been removed.
The extra PCI-e slot is there, however.

Serial sticker says
EEEPC901-W001
MB REV 901 12
SN: 870AAQ------ (I skipped the last 6 numbers)
VN: 2900

As for the "situation," looking at it from the manufacturer's perspective, it's normal par for the course for tech manufacturers.

The initial batch is a bit "over engineered" and serves as a base platform for future models.  Hence the initial 901s having parts/headers/whatever that aren't used or activated.  This makes it easier for them to start testing configurations of future models based on the same platform.

As production ramps up and volumes increase, the build is optimized for whatever its intended functional spec is.  Things that don't are unnecessary and don't change the functional specification are removed.  Now you get boards with perhaps pads for a header, but no actual header.  If the board gets a model-specific revision, those headers may be gone as well in the revision.

Following this line of reasoning, I'm still a little bit confused on why the XP version has ZIF and the Linux version may not.  It might just be that they anticipated a large volume of XP sales, so they made a bunch of XP versions in the initial run (with extra parts) so the selling XP units are still part of the initial run, whereas the Linux version was put into assembly later, and may be on a separate assembly line, so it is more likely to have the "optimized" build without extra parts. 

If the assembly was "branched" so there's a base build that splits off to get 16GB SSD/Linux on one side and 12GB SSD/Windows on the other, then this shouldn't be the case.  I don't know enough about the assembly line logistics to know whether branching happens or not, but the feeling I get given the Linux delay, is that the assembly isn't branched like this and Linux is getting produced on a different line.

Either way, I definitely see the XP version also being "optimized" at some point and not having extra parts either.

As a normal buyer who isn't planning to stick a HDD in my unit, ASUS never said there would be a 3G or ZIF HDD upgrade for the 901, did they?  So it's a bit unfair to say they're making the 901 "less" than what it is.  It's more like they're just removing things related to what the 901 doesn't (although it could) have.

On the other hand, I like to mod things too, so it's a bummer and it'd be nice if there was a definitive way to know whether a unit does or doesn't have the ZIF connector without opening it up first (like how the Linksys WRT54G routers could be identified by serial #).

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#11 2008-07-23 1:16:51 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

If this is true then I am **** big time!
I ordered my 901 Linux (already shipped) and I have already received my 80GB Samsung 1.8" Zif HDD !


Eee PC 901 20GB (16GB Removed & 4GB removed and Socket unsoldered) Black, XP Pro, 2GB RAM, Touch Screen, Samsung 80GB Zif HDD, 3G Enabled.
Touch & Zif HDD http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39102  3G (failed) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39651
3G (success) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39580&p=9

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#12 2008-07-23 1:29:14 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

@bhiga, you have the 3g mini pci-e soldered in? i would prefer that slot over the zif connector anyday


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#13 2008-07-23 1:53:13 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

If the 3G connector is the black connector in the "PCI-E Slot" box in the picture from jkkmobile's site, then Yes, it is there on my unit.

EDIT: I'm not sure whether the SIM hardware is there - I didn't open my unit up beyond the RAM access door.

Now the brown/beige ZIF connector on the left side of this picture from jkkmobile's site, on the other hand, is not installed on my unit.

Last edited by bhiga (2008-07-23 1:55:34 pm)


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#14 2008-07-23 2:09:11 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

Bhiga, is your unit 901 20gb Linux ?


Eee PC 901 20GB (16GB Removed & 4GB removed and Socket unsoldered) Black, XP Pro, 2GB RAM, Touch Screen, Samsung 80GB Zif HDD, 3G Enabled.
Touch & Zif HDD http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39102  3G (failed) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39651
3G (success) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39580&p=9

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#15 2008-07-23 2:12:04 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

@HeartBeat:
Yes, it is a 20GB Linux 901 US unit.  Received it yesterday.


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#16 2008-07-23 2:14:02 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

So you do confirm that the zif connector is not there! sad


Eee PC 901 20GB (16GB Removed & 4GB removed and Socket unsoldered) Black, XP Pro, 2GB RAM, Touch Screen, Samsung 80GB Zif HDD, 3G Enabled.
Touch & Zif HDD http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39102  3G (failed) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39651
3G (success) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39580&p=9

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#17 2008-07-23 3:22:27 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

Yes, unfortunately for those planning to mod theirs.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...  But I'm just one report.  Maybe someone will get lucky?


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#18 2008-07-23 3:45:30 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

Could you provide a photo of the solder points?

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#19 2008-07-23 4:07:18 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

And revision of new mobo is same 1.2 (12)? Kind of confusing.


List of Eee PC 901 Models that have (or don't have) a ZIF socket

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#20 2008-07-23 4:31:50 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

DjDiff wrote:

Could you provide a photo of the solder points?

I'll post a pic when I get home.


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#21 2008-07-23 5:44:45 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

I just found a buyer for my 901 20gb linux that I did not recieve yet. I will order the 901 12GB.

what a waste of time sad


Eee PC 901 20GB (16GB Removed & 4GB removed and Socket unsoldered) Black, XP Pro, 2GB RAM, Touch Screen, Samsung 80GB Zif HDD, 3G Enabled.
Touch & Zif HDD http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39102  3G (failed) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39651
3G (success) http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39580&p=9

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#22 2008-07-23 6:14:11 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

Keep in mind that it's possible (hopefully not though, for your sake) that the 12GB model you get doesn't have the ZIF socket either.

Aside from me, has anyone else seen/heard reports of units without ZIF headers?

Additional notes: My build date is 7/19/2008, and the default system clock was set 13 hours ahead of me... and I'm GMT-7 right now, so that would mean it came from somewhere GMT+6?


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#23 2008-07-23 11:07:46 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

As promised, pictures of ZIF solder pads.  There are 44 pads.
http://www.tygatech.com/901/ZifPads1.jpg
and
http://www.tygatech.com/901/ZifPads2.jpg

Looks like if you have good soldering skills you could solder something on there.  I suck at soldering and have no dreams of trying. smile


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#24 2008-07-23 11:33:22 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

bhiga wrote:

If the 3G connector is the black connector in the "PCI-E Slot" box in the picture from jkkmobile's site, then Yes, it is there on my unit.

EDIT: I'm not sure whether the SIM hardware is there - I didn't open my unit up beyond the RAM access door.

Now the brown/beige ZIF connector on the left side of this picture from jkkmobile's site, on the other hand, is not installed on my unit.

that is just the 4gb ssd. .. the 3g area is just to the north of that.


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#25 2008-07-23 11:34:12 pm

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Re: Patient Linux users screwed on all fronts: No ZIF on linux version?

this doesn't look good. I preordered mine from Amazon UK, based on the assumption that i'd be able to upgrade it with a Zif drive.

I'll give this a few more days and if more people report missing Zif connectors then I will cancel my order.

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