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I am proud to announce that the Internal ZIF connector WORKS!!!
I will be updating this first posts with new findings... so please read this post first!
This tutorial will aid you to a larger capacity EeePC 901 using the built-in ZIF connector, this is in no way an idiot proof guide, but will give you enough idea as to what your options are.
This feature is NOT for everyone, if you dont like it, dont do it, this thread is for people who does and for those interested and have questions.
We dont want to know about your lack of interest and our apparent pointless upgrade.
Basic background knowledge / Information :
Your EeePC 901 has 4 - 6 Storage input (3/4 miniPCIe, 1 ZIF, 1 USB Card Reader) depending on your mainboard's PCB revision, the one shown in this tutorial is Revision 1.2 (I will also cover how to find your revision without tearing your EeePC 901 apart)
This tutorial may or may not work on older or future revision mainboard, if someone have a different revision please let me know so I can update here.
This upgrade uses your built-in ZIF connector, like I said before, they have soldered in the connector lets assume that it does do something, and so it does.
For you to be following this tutorial, I assume you have some knowledge in regards to computers and possibly have built a desktop before.
In most desktop computers, more apparent with older IDE only computers, your system handles HDDs in such a way where you have,
Primary Master / Slave
Secondary Master / Slave
Strangely, if you have ever taken any notice during POST, EeePC901 only have Secondary Master/Slave.
As you can now guess, you can only have "2" HDD Storage Medium. While I dont think this is a deal breaker, altho it maybe for some.
EeePC 901, have 2 seperate SSDs (both removable) have these configuration by default:
Secondary Slave 4GB miniPCIe SSD (This is your default C:\, its removable but require dismantling of bottom casing, this drive is on "Cable Select")
Secondary Master 8 or 16GB miniPCIe SSD (This is your default D:\, its the easily accessible one which you can see by removing the bottom panel)
Now this is where you decide whether you will want this upgrade and how you want it.
Your ZIF connector shares the same channel as Secondary Master and takes priority, if your ZIF connector is in use, your default 8 or 16GB SSD WILL NOT function and WILL cause errors.
Also your ZIF Storage Solution will NOT fit flush, however with some casing modification it will fit, but I dont see a point in doing so as that miniPCIe slot will not function anyway.
Now some may ask, "Can I replace the 4GB SSD with my 8 or 16GB SSD?"
The answer is Yes and No, let me explain,
In theory, yes, they are both on miniPCIe and uses the same Phison controller so why not? BUT...
In reality, your 8/16GB SSD's PCB is twice the size as the 4GB SSD, and the miniPCIe slot is mounted in such as way you wont be able to close the case. (You will see in the photos later)
So your options are as follows,
4GB SSD as C:\ like before for OS and ZIF solution as D:\ for Programs Files and Data (You can use nLite to force all program files to be on D:\ and use mklink for Symlinking Documents and Settings)
ZIF solution as C:\ for OS and Everything and 4GB for Data or Swap disk or whatever you want... or not use it at all
Things you need or may want to use for this procedure, (this is what I used)
*Toshiba or Hitachi 1.8" ZIF based HDD (aka iPod HDD from 5th Gen iPod Video)
*ZIF to USB external casing (a ZIF ribbon can be sourced from this and you WILL find the case useful for data recovery at a later date)
*A set of small screw drivers (Obviously to losen screws)
*A razor blade (Yes, unfortunately so be careful but maybe not all of you will need to do this)
This is where everything goes...
First we will start with the ribbon, I got the USB casing from a local expert parts store, you can find this on eBay, I suggest a case over just buying the ribbon but you can just get the ribbon if you want also from ebay.
Some of you may need to do this slight modification, all the ribbons I have have a big plastic backing behind the contact points to keep the points flat and strong but unfortunately for me it was too thick and too long.
So I had to carefully peel off the backing and shorten the contact points to exactly what I need... because if its too long you risk short circulting.
Now, its time to remove your 8/16GB SSD, I suggest after removing the screws, screw them back into the empty holes to avoid losing the screws in the event where you might want to put your SSD back in again.
After removing your SSD, insert the ribbon into your iPod HDD and the ZIF connector. Inserting into the ZIF connector may be a little trickier than you may think, be careful and take your time. It will be easier if you remove the bottom casing totally, but not everyone wants to do that... but getting it in without doing that will work... I did it... you may have noticed I put a sheet of paper there... short circult prevention... you might want to consider doing that too...
I got my HDD from my iPod, and it has foam padding which is a good idea... meanwhile I am waiting for my 80GB to arrive...
So there you have it... replace the panel... boot up your EeePC 901 and pray you didnt do something wrong... it a fairly simple process but you'd never know... some people are less capable than they would like to believe...
Ask any questions you may have... you can request for additional photos.... and you CAN replace the iPod HDD with any other ZIF solution you can think of... such as a ZIF to Compact Flash adaptor... (but why would anyone do that? but some people might have alots of money for a 32GB 40MB/s CF card)
Last edited by Jackson (2008-06-30 11:30:27 am)
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congratulations...
So did you have to remove the secondary SSD to fit a 1.8" drive under the hood?
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Good work. Eagerly awaiting the tutorial. This should enhance 901's feature-list.
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Ahh yes, feature list enhancement.
Jackson, you should mention where you purchased the cable and hdd in your tut.
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ondoy4759 wrote:
Good work. Eagerly awaiting the tutorial. This should enhance 901's feature-list.
Do you know how to install a hard drive? Its that Easy. Simply Look online for a 1.8" hdd or ssd with a Zif connector, the one in your ipod videos will work. You will also need to buy a Zif cable (5 bucks on ebay). You simply open your ram door, yes you need to remove the 8 or 16gb ssd, and then you plug in the hd with the cable. it is a simple ribbon cable.
I am getting mine soon. Also these things are shock resistance, and energy efficient.
@The Last Master, haha yea, ive been adding these thigns to my list of features for about a week now.
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This is getting to be quite interesting. But before I am carried away, a couple of questions: (1) since this enhancement replaces the 8 or 16 gb ssd, can this be made bootable so that windows can reside therein?, or (2) is it possible to install a 2.5" hd instead of a 1.8" hd? What I am looking forward to is a hard drive in the 901, ala 1000h, so that win xp and other apps are not constricted on the 4 gb ssd as it is now. Thanks for your efforts so others may benefit.
Last edited by ondoy4759 (2008-06-30 10:11:01 am)
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saab_rider wrote:
congratulations...
So did you have to remove the secondary SSD to fit a 1.8" drive under the hood?
Yes, its not mandatory but your "secondary" SSD will not function anyway
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The Last Master wrote:
Ahh yes, feature list enhancement.
Jackson, you should mention where you purchased the cable and hdd in your tut.
eBay is your friend, but for HDD you can find ALOT of options regarding that, you may also want to check iPod modding websites too. eg: ifixit.com
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ondoy4759 wrote:
This is getting to be quite interesting. But before I am carried away, a couple of questions: (1) since this enhancement replaces the 8 or 16 gb ssd, can this be made bootable so that windows can reside therein?, or (2) is it possible to install a 2.5" hd instead of a 1.8" hd? What I am looking forward to is a hard drive in the 901, ala 1000h, so that win xp and other apps are not constricted on the 4 gb ssd as it is now. Thanks for your efforts so others may benefit.
1, Its considered as an internal HDD so it is bootable, you can shift your HDD order around in BIOS
2, Yes, you can get a ZIF -> PATA or SATA adaptor... Just that your 2.5" HDD wont fit inside your EeePC
For your performance concern, 1.8" ZIF HDDs are based on PATA and you shouldnt notice too much performance hit versus a 5400rpm 2.5" as its smaller... it doesnt need to spin as fast...
Also compared with the SSD, its not using much more power if at all... my battery timer is still very accurate and have not noticed any different in regards to battery life
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Hi, congratulations lol for being the first, I'm just wondering, how much bigger is the second SSD (8/16GB) than the 4GB one, any chance of a picture lol? ![]()
Im just wondering if it was possible to create a mini-pci (or whaterver it is) extension to relocate the larger SSD to the 'Alot of empty space' and remove the 4GB.
Whats people thoughts on this, possible?
Jama
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jama, it wouldnt appear possible due to size, also, the second ssd is slower
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Jama wrote:
Hi, congratulations lol for being the first, I'm just wondering, how much bigger is the second SSD (8/16GB) than the 4GB one, any chance of a picture lol?
Im just wondering if it was possible to create a mini-pci (or whaterver it is) extension to relocate the larger SSD to the 'Alot of empty space' and remove the 4GB.
Whats people thoughts on this, possible?
Jama
The 8/16GB SSD is the one in the blue box, and its twice as big as the 4GB one which you can see if you peak into the area of the green box.
and "Alot of empty space" has enough space for an old big USB thumb drive, so your options are to get a USB 3G/HSDPA modem and put it there or more USB storage or other USB gadgets...
tho your idea of a very hard to make miniPCIe extension will not work even if you have the patience to do it... and once you are able to have an iPod HDD in there... I dont see why anyone would care about the SSD since its not really a true SSD in a sense...
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You should try a mini pci device on the 4gb ssd. if that worked, i would just install the os on the zif drive and put my minipci devices on the 4gb port.
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mtotho wrote:
You should try a mini pci device on the 4gb ssd. if that worked, i would just install the os on the zif drive and put my minipci devices on the 4gb port.
I am almost certain that even if it worked... you wont find many devices that would go in there and able to close the case...
I am starting to think maybe they are not miniPCIe slots but just use the same interface? or they may work as miniPCIe with both SSDs out...
but I havent actually done enough testing to know...
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hey jackson, i messaged that guy from hong kong about my zif cable... he said 15-20 business days!!. I am gonna look locally for a cable in the time being. Stupid people from hong kong, i hate em all... except you, and that dude who did 2 day shipping on my 901.
Last edited by mtotho (2008-06-30 12:55:48 pm)
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Jackson:
Thanks for the clarification. With this mod, imo, the 901 has risen to the level of 1000h as regards desirability, unless of course one wants a bigger screen and a little more comfortable keyboard. But for me, 901 it is, for better portability. Now, the problem is, where is the 901?
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ondoy4759 wrote:
Jackson:
Thanks for the clarification. With this mod, imo, the 901 has risen to the level of 1000h as regards desirability, unless of course one wants a bigger screen and a little more comfortable keyboard. But for me, 901 it is, for better portability. Now, the problem is, where is the 901?
on my lap
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Hi Jackson,
Nice work.
Can I ask you two questions, please?
(1) Do you know how thick your 1.8-inch drive is? 5mm/7mm/8mm/9mm?
(2) How well does this 1.8-inch HDD fit into the place? Tight or loose after closing the RAM door?
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Jackson wrote:
you shouldnt notice too much performance hit versus a 5400rpm 2.5" as its smaller... it doesnt need to spin as fast...
wat. This is backwards. On a hard drive the OS or programs start up faster when they are on the outer edge of the drive, as that is the part that is moving the fastest (constant angular velocity means greater linear velocity at the outer edge)*. A smaller hard drive spinning at the same speed is going to be slower on average, as its outer edge is moving slower. If it spins slower, that just compounds the speed deficiency.
It's awesome to get a hard drive into a 901, no mistake. But saying it can afford to spin slower because it is smaller, well it makes my head spin.
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* see http://partition.radified.com/partitioning_2.htm , particularly
"In this case - that of a 120-GB IBM 120GXP, the transfer rate is roughly 50MB/s at the outer edge. But it's less than half that, or ~20MB/s, at the inner tracks. This is because the linear velocity of the discs are faster at the *outer* tracks."
Modern hard drives use Zoned Bit Recording, where the outer tracks have more sectors than the inner tracks, so at the same angular velocity you are covering more sectors on the outer tracks than the inner. See the figure here (modern drives look like the one on the right).
Smaller hard drives aren't magically more dense. The lower speed (both angular, as in the case of 5400 RPM or less compared to 7800 rpm or more for larger drives, and linear due to the outer track being closer to the center) means fewer sectors per second can be accessed == slower.
Last edited by MamiyaOtaru (2008-06-30 10:41:52 pm)
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mtotho:
Good for you, but us, ordinary mortals, have to wait when the 901 comes around near us. But wait, we may have the last laugh when the 904/905 come to reality, (rumored to replace the 900/901) and will result in downward spiral of 900/901 retail prices. I can dream, ..... can't I?
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ondoy4759 wrote:
mtotho:
Good for you, but us, ordinary mortals, have to wait when the 901 comes around near us. But wait, we may have the last laugh when the 904/905 come to reality, (rumored to replace the 900/901) and will result in downward spiral of 900/901 retail prices. I can dream, ..... can't I?
yea right, you can have ur 10" bezel with a 8.9 screen.
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lahlahlah wrote:
Hi Jackson,
Nice work.
Can I ask you two questions, please?
(1) Do you know how thick your 1.8-inch drive is? 5mm/7mm/8mm/9mm?
(2) How well does this 1.8-inch HDD fit into the place? Tight or loose after closing the RAM door?
1, 1.8inch drives generally come in 5mm or 8mm
2, This place is MADE FOR 1.8" Drives, altho I am currently using a 5mm drive, I will get my 8mm drive soon and to our calculations, the 8mm WILL fit... because my 5mm is in there with a bit of foam
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Jackson,
While you're waiting for the new drive, how about you do a battery test with the newly installed HDD.
Would be nice to compare battery life of the 901 using SSD and using HDD
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saab_rider wrote:
Jackson,
While you're waiting for the new drive, how about you do a battery test with the newly installed HDD.
Would be nice to compare battery life of the 901 using SSD and using HDD
Before I do battery tests I will need to reinstall windows first... because I wanted the 4GB drive to store my OS and it shifting to slave caused a few problems. Will release details soon regarding this... as I also want to test the speed of the 4GB SSD vs the iPod HDD... if the iPod HDD is in fact faster on seq & random... I may consider abandoning the 4GB SSD totally... as most would assume (if Asus made a 901H... there would probably be no SSDs) and I wanted to find out if there is a way to force iPod HDD to become slave and I am not yet able to find ways or documentation on such settings
Also... the supposed miniPCIe slots the 4GB and 8/16GB SSDs are on... they are IDE sockets according to the techs at the service center. (So take it with a grain of salt... it may or may not be true... believe what you want... its just what I heard... but since I am not so concerned as to using it for something else... I will not pursue down this path... if someone else insist on making it useful... please do...)
Last edited by Jackson (2008-07-01 3:54:59 am)
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