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I'm tempted to install eeexubuntu, but trying it from a live USB it took a couple of minutes to load, and crashed while I was using Thunar !
I appreciate the urge to customise the OS, but what gain is there on a 4G / 512MB RAM eee which loads to Advanced Mode in 20 seconds ?
As regards useable space, Xandros leaves me just under 2GB. I understand that eeexubuntu would only leave me 1.5GB, due to the need to have a swap partition, even after removing openoffice-core.
Can anyone persuade me eeexubuntu is a good idea ?
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ClaptonOrient wrote:
due to the need to have a swap partition
you don't need a swap partition!
ClaptonOrient wrote:
but what gain is there on a 4G / 512MB RAM eee which loads to Advanced Mode in 20 seconds ?
like you wrote yourself, it's much more customizable!
and comparing an install on a SDD with an USB-live-system is not quite fair! keep in mind that the SDD reads about 30-40MB/sec while a USB-thumbdrive is much slower (about 5-10MB/sec for a standard USB-Thumbdrive)!
ClaptonOrient wrote:
Can anyone persuade me eeexubuntu is a good idea ?
why should anyone do that? there is enough stuff in the wiki and the forum! if that's not enough i think you should stay with the default xandros!
to make sure you like eeexubuntu, buy a SD-Card and install it there ... you can test eeexubuntu while the xandros stays on the SDD untouched!
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atcq wrote:
why should anyone do that?
I ditto the observation... if you don't see any advantage in using it, why should you install it? Just move on. It makes sense for other people for reasons that have nothing to do with your needs as a user. That should be fine with you.
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thanks atcq - points taken about swap and thumbdrive/ssd read times. I may try the SD card install option - can I do this from within Live eeeXubuntu, ie will install give me the SD option (and is a 1.9GB card enough) ? I'm actually in favour of trying eeeXubuntu, despite my scepticism.
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if you don't have 1gb or more of ram you must create another partition 'swap' on the same sdhc.
from http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:customization
Guess that rules out eexubuntu - for now - on my 512GB eee
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Well you don't have to create the swap partition. I didn't use one for a long time either. And now I have a swap partition, but it's almost not used at all.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure why that recommendation is stated that way in the Wiki. I'm going to go ahead and change it. All variants of Ubuntu can run in 512MB without Swap. It's not always pretty, but it does work.
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i was able to successfully install eeexubuntu on my eee. i love it. it takes more than 40 secs to load because of compiz and lots of autostarted applications i setup, but it still pays off. i'm really satisfied with what it brings to my eee.
To ClaptonOrient, i suggest you try it. like atcq said, you can still keep your Xandros and get back to it if you didn't like ubuntu.
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I tried Xubuntu on an HP notebook prior to getting EEE, just to get used to it. I started about a month ago with Freespire 2 (KDE desktop, etc. similar to Xandros).
The Freespire gave me issues that became too frustrating, so I went to Ubuntu due to more online support, and decided on Xubuntu for 2 reasons - lite weight and plans to get EEE.
Having some experience definitely helped with the EEEXubuntu, but like said above everything is outlined in Wiki.
Since last week, I've got Compiz and about everything else including VPN, remote desktop, 8GB SD card, and about all customizations in wiki. I still have bluetooth and few minor things to do.
There are some weakness to XFCE desktop, but if you like liteweight OS it fits the bill and is still very customizable. Not to mention the excellent Add/remove and full Synaptic and Ubuntu repositories, automatic updates, EEE support forums and Ubuntu support sites. All that together makes a big difference.
I think Xandros may have a few items better (like NTFS support a little more stable).
I installed with roughly 256MB swap and it gets used a little. That would be my recommendation if you don't care about hibernation. Suspend works great.
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ClaptonOrient wrote:
I'm tempted to install eeexubuntu, but trying it from a live USB it took a couple of minutes to load, and crashed while I was using Thunar !
USB thumb drives and SDHC cards are typically MUCH slower than the internal SSD.
I have eeexubuntu on my Eee and it boots in about 30 sec.
ClaptonOrient wrote:
I appreciate the urge to customise the OS, but what gain is there on a 4G / 512MB RAM eee which loads to Advanced Mode in 20 seconds ?
Xandros certainly gives you the basics. If you are satisfied with that, then don't change. Ubuntu is a much more polished OS than Xandros and is under heavy development. This means you can expect to have the latest apps available for download and install and bug fixes get pushed out very quickly.
Hardy Heron (Ubuntu 8.04) is going to be released late next month and is supposed to bring really nice new features. Of specific interest to me is dialup networking via the Network Manager -- Means I can easily tether my Palm Treo to my Eee right from the GUI.
Again, if having a polished OS and the latest software doesn't matter to you, then there isn't much reason to change.
By the way; I installed Gnome (ubuntu-desktop) and removed XFCE (xbuntu-desktop), so I'm actually running eeeubuntu.
ClaptonOrient wrote:
As regards useable space, Xandros leaves me just under 2GB. I understand that eeexubuntu would only leave me 1.5GB, due to the need to have a swap partition, even after removing openoffice-core.
Can anyone persuade me eeexubuntu is a good idea ?
I disagree with the poster above about not needing a swap partition. If you leave out the swap partition, you can't hibernate the Eee.
You are correct in what you are reporting about the available drive space after installing eeexubuntu. Is 500mb really that big of a deal? Go buy a $39 SDHC card and mount it to a dir in your home directory. I have a 4GB card in my Eee and never take it out. I store all of my personal data on the SDHC and leave the SSD for OS files only.
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jpconard wrote:
There are some weakness to XFCE desktop, but if you like liteweight OS it fits the bill and is still very customizable. Not to mention the excellent Add/remove and full Synaptic and Ubuntu repositories, automatic updates, EEE support forums and Ubuntu support sites. All that together makes a big difference.
I couldn't agree with you more. The support and polish of Ubuntu bring so much more to this OS than what Xandros can offer. Basically, it is up to Asus when updates get pushed to the Eee. They are in the business of selling hardware so will likely only worry about fixing big issues.
Furthermore, the Xandros OS is licensed in such a way that it is illegal for Asus to even post the OS ISO on their site for download. If you lose your Eee DVD, there isn't a quick an easy solution to find a replacement.
Yes, XFCE isn't the best GUI. I'd ditch it and install gnome (ubuntu-desktop). Well worth the few hundred MB of SSD space you'll lose.
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After 36 hours' experiment with eeexubuntu, I've opted for a "lighter-tighter" easy-mode Xandros, using guides on the wiki about modifying icewm and so on. For the moment, I can't put in the tweaking-time needed to perfect eeexubuntu to my needs. The quick boot-time and good wireless detection were big factors in my decision.
I liked eexubuntu because it gave me full control over the disk, and in fact the install took up less space than I'd thought (under 2gb), and I'm still miffed that Asus have the "hidden partition" when its relatively easy to restore the factory settings using the DVD.
Perhaps I'll take a look at Hardy Heron when it comes out - one plea: please include Sylpheed email !
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sylpheed should be available in apt ... !?
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