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#1 2008-03-12 11:31:35 am

Jossa
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Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Hi all Eeeusers!
I bought my Eee PC 4G 4 months ago, and this little thing is just amazing!
Two weeks ago, i ordered a car-adapter for my Asus Eee PC, and it worked fine.
Unfortunately i had a car-adapter with for my old PC, and used that adapter instead.
The same second i pluged it in, it started to smell strange, and i saw smoke coming up from the computer.
I took out the adapter few seconds later, and could continue use my computer until the battery was out of power.

When i came home and plugged in the usual adapter, the same thing happend; Strange smell and smoke.

http://www.jossasida.com/under_the_keyboard.jpg
(Under the keyboard)

http://www.jossasida.com/left_back_of_the_eeepc.jpg
(At the left front of the computer)

Do you guys have any tips to what i should do to fix the problem?

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#2 2008-03-12 11:38:45 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

which connector is that next to?


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#3 2008-03-12 12:10:52 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

It is located here:

http://www.jossasida.com/arrow.jpg


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#4 2008-03-12 2:22:52 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Consct Asus, tell them what happened and ask them how much it will cost to put right.  If they accept the repair they will replace the mobo for you.

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#5 2008-03-12 11:07:30 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

I think it as diode to protect from accidental (or not) polarity inversion.
Besides the smell and smoke, the eeepc works only connected to power, without the battery?
If works, simple clean and replace by a ordinary rectifier diode, like a 1N4007.

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#6 2008-03-13 3:34:25 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

pksato wrote:

....the eeepc works only connected to power, without the battery?

Hi.
No, the Eee works only when using the battery.


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#7 2008-03-13 8:27:40 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

I think i got it:
The component seams to be a "safety" for to much electricity.
I removed the burn pieces, and used a small wire to connect the two points, and when i now give it electricity,
there comes no smoke or smell. So i'm going to melt it fast there.

Risky, i know, but i think it's worth a try. smile


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#8 2008-03-13 10:37:05 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Jossa,
They put that diode there for a reason. I think that you should try to get it replaced now that you know it will work with a new piece in place. You wouldn't want to have it plugged in and come home fo find that your house burnt down because the whole unit caught fire.  That's why they put circuit breakers in houses instead of just bypassing them and just connecting the wires together. It may cost a little but now but in the long run it will be worth it. Maybe a TV shop would have something to solder in there as a circuit breaker. Good Luck with whatever you decide.

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#9 2008-03-13 12:58:47 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

I guess you're right 126andy,
i saw pksato said i could replace it with a "ordinary rectifier diode, like a 1N4007", after som googling i figured out what he ment.
I didn't have a dictionary aviable, so i didn't understood what a "diode" was, but of course it was the "safety-component" i was talking about in the last post. (in norwegian: "sikring", (safety)) I think i go buy a diode, rather then burn down my house.
The wire i was talking about was actually a wire from a diode, but as you said andy, i don't think that is safe enough.

Is this the what i'm looking for?
http://musikkogelektronikk.dynmab.as/ma … amp;id=361

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#10 2008-03-13 1:14:37 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Its a protection diode for reverse polarity. I blew one on mine

It is likely that there is more damage too, not just this diode because Asus in their infinate wisdom did not put in a fuse to blow when that diode conducts so all it does is blow the diode then blow the components that would have been damaged if the diode had not been there.

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#11 2008-03-13 1:49:59 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

What is the diffrent between a fuse and a diode?
I'm kind of confused, but i see that fuse means "sikring" in norwegian.

The wire i was talking about was the wire in the middle of the green fuse:
http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/fuse.jpg

Mjolinor: As i said earlier in the tread, my Asus Eee PC actually worked just fine after i blowed the diode, until the battery ran out of power. Do you still think there is more components been damaged?


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#12 2008-03-13 5:09:10 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Now i think i got it.
The diode is there to protect the electricity going the wrong way.
A fuse is to protect if it should be to much elecricty.

What i have to do is buy a 1N4007, and make sure i put it the right way.

Does this sound like a good solution? smile


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#13 2008-03-14 12:20:50 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Fuse -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuse_(electrical)
Diode -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode

Reverse diode and fuse can be used to protect eletronics against inverse polarity from power supply.
Asus, don't put a fuse on eeepc main board.
And your old car adapter don't have short circuit protection.

I don't figure out the type of original diode, but, is possible that not a simple rectifier diode, and can be not use to reversed voltage protection. Need more analyze of circuit in this region.


** Sorry, I can not help you much, I am illiterate in English. smile

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#14 2008-03-14 3:02:04 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

The diode being there or not will not stop the eee from working. It is only for reverse connections. If there were no further damage then the eee would be fine without it using it's own power supply.

As yours is not working from the mains power then there is more damage somewhere. You will need someone with a knowledge of electronics to stand any chance of mending it.

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#15 2008-03-14 3:58:55 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

use without diode only if no chance of reverse polarity occuring, car normal high end voltage approx 14v (on charge), I think the required voltage is about 9-10v! seven (silicon) diodes with sufficient current rating strung inline at 0.6v drop across each would drop it from 14v to 9.8v put an amp meter inline and test out? see if current reasonable comparing readings with a mate or known "normal" with/without battery in, when known safe to use insert "inline" fuse to suit rating.
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#16 2008-03-14 4:23:08 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Mjolinor wrote:

The diode being there or not will not stop the eee from working. (...) If there were no further damage then the eee would be fine without it using it's own power supply.

As yours is not working from the mains power then there is more damage somewhere. (...)

The diode not being there will not stop the eee from working, but it makes it impossible to charge the battery, or use the Eee PC without the battery. My Eee PC is still working. I start it up, load Windows XP, Open Internet Explorer, then the yellow light starts flashing. The statusbar showes the message "Low battery!", and then the Eee PC turns off.


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#17 2008-03-14 7:17:08 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Jossa wrote:

Mjolinor wrote:

The diode being there or not will not stop the eee from working. (...) If there were no further damage then the eee would be fine without it using it's own power supply.

As yours is not working from the mains power then there is more damage somewhere. (...)

The diode not being there will not stop the eee from working, but it makes it impossible to charge the battery, or use the Eee PC without the battery.

Mjolinor is likely correct, that diode will only provide some protection against reverse voltage. Not having will not affect the operation of the laptop in any way (battery or power supply operation). What likely happened though is that more circuitry in your Eee was damaged when you plugged in that other supply, particularly the regulators which provide power to the laptop when running on an external power supply. If that got smoked (may not be visible) then the power supply won't be able to power up the laptop or recharge the battery.

Another alternative is that the diode is used in a switching power supply (regulator) to regulate the incoming voltage form the power supply to correct levels. In that case, replacing it with a wire would likely have done more damage to the unit.

The short answer is that you need to replace that component and then do more testing to see what else might be damaged.

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#18 2008-03-14 10:43:56 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

pksato wrote:

I think it as diode to protect from accidental (or not) polarity inversion.
Besides the smell and smoke, the eeepc works only connected to power, without the battery?
If works, simple clean and replace by a ordinary rectifier diode, like a 1N4007.

Er... Are we even sure that it's a diode? It kinda looks more like a fuse to me.

Anyway, even if it is a diode, a 1N4007(rated at 1A) probably won't be enough. I'd guess it's part of the charging circuit, which draws over 2A. You will need a larger diode, perhaps the 1N54xx series.

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#19 2008-03-14 10:55:09 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

bryfos wrote:

use without diode only if no chance of reverse polarity occuring, car normal high end voltage approx 14v (on charge), I think the required voltage is about 9-10v! seven (silicon) diodes with sufficient current rating strung inline at 0.6v drop across each would drop it from 14v to 9.8v put an amp meter inline and test out? see if current reasonable comparing readings with a mate or known "normal" with/without battery in, when known safe to use insert "inline" fuse to suit rating.
I am considering doing some  current demand checks on mine with the three stage clocking etc. will be usefull to know power demand at diff. settings wifi disabled etc. Anyone done that already? cheers

I haven't done this (diodes to lower voltage) with my 3e, but I have done so with other DC sourced devices and it works as advertised.


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#20 2008-03-14 11:22:25 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

bryfos wrote:

use without diode only if no chance of reverse polarity occuring, car normal high end voltage approx 14v (on charge), I think the required voltage is about 9-10v! seven (silicon) diodes with sufficient current rating strung inline at 0.6v drop across each would drop it from 14v to 9.8v put an amp meter inline and test out? see if current reasonable comparing readings with a mate or known "normal" with/without battery in, when known safe to use insert "inline" fuse to suit rating.
I am considering doing some  current demand checks on mine with the three stage clocking etc. will be usefull to know power demand at diff. settings wifi disabled etc. Anyone done that already? cheers

Using a couple of diodes to drop the voltage works pretty well, if the input voltage is constant. Connecting this circuit to a car plug is probably not a good idea, since the voltage could vary quite a bit. Too low and the eee won't charge, too high will fry.

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#21 2008-03-15 1:17:28 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

That's when something like this comes in handy.... fancy regulators will even do their down "downstepping", for lack of a better word.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … amp;ih=015


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#22 2008-03-16 9:39:19 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Hello .
I do have the same problem...
Do you mange to solve it ... please let me know

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#23 2008-03-16 10:49:50 am

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

Have you tryed the eeepc without the diode or wire across it. Do NOT leave it if it charge the battery without it we know the it will work if it is put back in the right way. I had the same problem with a wireless acess point when a friend pluged in the wrong voltage and it - in the center of the plug that he pluged in. it is still working. I just removed it and made sure it will work with out diode first then i put in a diode  the right way around the diode was 1A for protection.

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#24 2008-03-17 5:01:22 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

I chage the diode ...but nothing happened
If it can be a clue ...sometimes it charges
thank you for yuour help

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#25 2008-03-17 8:48:49 pm

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Re: Wrong car-adapter - no good. (Help needed)

did you put the diode in the correct way round? try swapping it.


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