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#51 2008-02-08 3:48:15 pm

AllTheGoodNamesWereTaken
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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Molly wrote:

p.s.: why would you need defrag on the SSD or SDHC card?

Hi Molly!

This is a serious question...don't mean to sound sarcastic.  But I was wondering what is the difference between a regular hard disc drive & flash that would make defragging obsolete.  Is it because there are no moving parts?  If so, wouldn't it still (possibly?) be more efficient to have files contiguous (if that's the correct term) rather than scattered across the media?

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#52 2008-02-08 4:47:17 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Very nice job. I will try to install again, because I don't have as much space as you have after a proper install of XP.


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#53 2008-02-08 4:48:52 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

AllTheGoodNamesWereTaken wrote:

Molly wrote:

p.s.: why would you need defrag on the SSD or SDHC card?

Hi Molly!

This is a serious question...don't mean to sound sarcastic.  But I was wondering what is the difference between a regular hard disc drive & flash that would make defragging obsolete.  Is it because there are no moving parts?  If so, wouldn't it still (possibly?) be more efficient to have files contiguous (if that's the correct term) rather than scattered across the media?

I think that defragging a SSD is not really wise for its health...


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#54 2008-02-08 5:36:01 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

"You should hardly ever need to defragment an SSD. If it makes you feel better, you could do it once a month to eliminate cluster fragmentation, but you'll be hard put to notice any ill effects if you miss several months."

read the full story "Solid State vs Conventional Hard Drive" here:

http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1766


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#55 2008-02-08 5:41:01 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Syntra wrote:

Requesting a guide to do this from a USB Flash Drive.

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/instal … thumb.html

Works perfectly!
Good Luck


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#56 2008-02-08 5:45:02 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Molly wrote:

"You should hardly ever need to defragment an SSD. If it makes you feel better, you could do it once a month to eliminate cluster fragmentation, but you'll be hard put to notice any ill effects if you miss several months."

read the full story "Solid State vs Conventional Hard Drive" here:

http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1766

Thanks!!!  I've only briefly started reading this article, but I suspect it will answer my question.  Thanks, again!

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#57 2008-02-08 6:49:27 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Focus.Nrg wrote:

Syntra wrote:

Requesting a guide to do this from a USB Flash Drive.

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/instal … thumb.html

Works perfectly!
Good Luck

That guide you cant use nLite from my understanding, I have yet to get to work with nLite using that USB guide, I wish there were some better USB guides out there??? anyone?

EDIT: You can actually use this guide, just do NOT check "Manual Install & upgrade" in components during the guide. this will leave the winnt.exe file need for the install with USB drive guide script to transfer the files.

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#58 2008-02-09 3:32:16 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

tetrahedron wrote:

Focus.Nrg wrote:

Syntra wrote:

Requesting a guide to do this from a USB Flash Drive.

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/instal … thumb.html

Works perfectly!
Good Luck

That guide you cant use nLite from my understanding, I have yet to get to work with nLite using that USB guide, I wish there were some better USB guides out there??? anyone?

EDIT: You can actually use this guide, just do NOT check "Manual Install & upgrade" in components during the guide. this will leave the winnt.exe file need for the install with USB drive guide script to transfer the files.

Which guide are you reffering to?  The guide in this thread or the one on the eeeguides web page?


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#59 2008-02-09 3:57:48 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Otto wrote:

Just a note: Do not disable RTHDCPL from start-up if you want to use your headphone and microphone jacks. Without it, it will not work.

I've removed this and the headphone socket works fine. Why wouldn't it? It's just a wired connection to the same signal which feeds the speakers - and plugging headphones in physically breaks the electrical connection to the speakers.

RTHDCPL (RealTek High Definition Control PaneL) is the funky grey/green panel that lets you set things like EQ (could be quite useful with those little tinny speakers) and "Environment Effects" (reverb, echo and 3D sound - not so useful). If you are having problems with sound I wouldn't just put it down to not having installed RTHDCPL.

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#60 2008-02-09 4:35:46 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Otto wrote:

Just a note: Do not disable RTHDCPL from start-up if you want to use your headphone and microphone jacks. Without it, it will not work.

Yeah.. totally wrong information.


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#61 2008-02-09 6:20:43 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

After the succesful install, I get the error: NTLDR is missing.

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#62 2008-02-09 7:25:51 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

OS installation set to 'finished'?


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#63 2008-02-09 8:29:52 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Deleted ALL the partitions, worked for me, next problem: no UK->EU-converter, argh tongue

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#64 2008-02-09 3:46:43 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Great guide, but I have one issue.

If I plug a USB device in I am told in a popup "This device can perform faster if you connect it to a Hi-Speed USB 2.0 port"

I have seen this (on another PC) before and it was because the USB 2 drivers weren't installed - but I've done everything suggested in the guide.

What can I do to fix it?

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#65 2008-02-09 3:58:35 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

did you install the chipset driver (on the DVD or from ASUS' support page)


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#66 2008-02-09 4:30:34 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Yes - I'm trying a fresh rebuild right now and will report back...

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#67 2008-02-09 4:45:30 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

tetrahedron wrote:

Focus.Nrg wrote:

Syntra wrote:

Requesting a guide to do this from a USB Flash Drive.

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/instal … thumb.html

Works perfectly!
Good Luck

That guide you cant use nLite from my understanding, I have yet to get to work with nLite using that USB guide, I wish there were some better USB guides out there??? anyone?

EDIT: You can actually use this guide, just do NOT check "Manual Install & upgrade" in components during the guide. this will leave the winnt.exe file need for the install with USB drive guide script to transfer the files.

I did it using an Nlite install, worked fine for me..


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#68 2008-02-09 4:55:40 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Yay - got it working. Here's how in case it helps someone else.

I'd downloaded the drivers rather than use the DVD, because for some reason the supplied DVD won't read in my cobbled-together USB DVD drive.

It looks like I was installing things in the wrong order. After putting the supplied Asus DVD in my other laptop to look at the files (and to compare them to the downloaded ones) it autoran and told me it needed to install ACPI drivers first.

So I did this on the eee, followed by the Intel chipset drivers. Also, for some reason, running AsusSetup  in the chipset drivers folder doesn't fully do it, I am also having to run Setup in the same folder.

But now it's on and working.

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#69 2008-02-09 9:25:54 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Ok, having finally got it all working and run Windows Update a few times, why on earth is my Windows install 1.22GB in size?

I'd had an install like i64X at about half a gig until I did all the updates. I've got no hibernate file, no temp files, all the Winupdate stuff has been deleted.

The culprit seems to be \system32 which is 523MB in size.

Should I not have done all the updates that involved .net 2, 3 etc, I wonder? I've applied pretty much every update except WMP11.

If anyone else can shed some light please let me know. An install of that size is ridiculous for an nlited system.

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#70 2008-02-10 3:09:30 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

astromark wrote:

Ok, having finally got it all working and run Windows Update a few times, why on earth is my Windows install 1.22GB in size?

I'd had an install like i64X at about half a gig until I did all the updates. I've got no hibernate file, no temp files, all the Winupdate stuff has been deleted.

The culprit seems to be \system32 which is 523MB in size.

Should I not have done all the updates that involved .net 2, 3 etc, I wonder? I've applied pretty much every update except WMP11.

If anyone else can shed some light please let me know. An install of that size is ridiculous for an nlited system.

That's about the size of my install. Though, I have 256MB of pagefile and Japanese language files.

Keep in mind that even if you disable pagefile, windows would still create a pagefile. Press Alt+Ctrl+Delete and click on the Performance Tab. You will see that there would still be PF Usage.

I found that manually installing some of the drivers didn't free up that much space as compared to installing them automatically via the running the installer.





Much space can still be freed:

C:\program files\InstallShield Installation\

There are a couple of folders in this directory that contain an uninstaller for Atheros Client Utility, Realtek, and L2 LAN. You can free up some space by deleting the folders that contain these uninstallers.


As mentioned, slipstreaming updates via nlite is much more convenient. But this guide contains a lot of useful nlite tips in itself that is quite useful.


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#71 2008-02-10 4:07:04 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Are people that are using this getting a super fast boot time?

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#72 2008-02-10 5:40:13 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Ok, well I think I need to scale back the number of Windows updates I allow it to apply. Boot time is now 45 seconds to a clean system - much longer than the original 17.

I suppose I don't need to install literally all of the updates and fixes do I? Instead of IE7 I will probably use Firefox (as i64x did originally suggest, to be fair to him) and I won't update Windows Media Player to version 10 (11 really IS too far to go).

But are the .net 2 and 3 frameworks essential if I don't plan on installing too much software?

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#73 2008-02-10 5:51:38 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

I had installed ALL the updates including IE7 and windows defender, along with all services enabled on startup. Boot time was not affected by much, at least it was way under 45 seconds. Something else must have caused your long boot time.


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#74 2008-02-10 6:17:21 am

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

Hmm, I wonder what is wrong. It's 45 seconds from power on to mouse pointer. Is that how you time it?

Oh well, looks like another install! At least it gives me an excuse to play on the 360 while it does it...

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#75 2008-02-10 12:30:12 pm

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Re: Ultimate XP HOW-TO Guide: XP SP2, 537MB install size, Boots in 17sec

From my experience, installing all the updates generally impedes the performance and general responsiveness of XP. I used a fresh window install without update for a few weeks, and installed all the updates yesterday. The performance has generally gone down after the updates. But startup time remains similar as before.


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